The Nansy Pansy Pagan Male

We’re commonly known as a site and FB page that will cover topics of discussions that other groups run screaming away from. I think that’s a good thing. It’s something that sets us apart from everyone else. We’re also probably a whole lot more opinionated than most other forums. Yesterday, we decided that we wanted to have a discussion about the Death Penalty.

Yeah, I know it’s a rather hot topic for just about everyone, but we wanted to know if Pagans would be more apt to be against it based on religious beliefs. It turns out, most people are against it, many didn’t really have answers, and our Core group is fairly open to the idea of using the death penalty as a just punishment for the more violent type of offender.

Enter in Pansy Ass Pagan Male:

Nansy Pansy Pagan: “I have to say this whole discussion has really been an eye opener for me. Here I thought Christians cornered the market on bloodthirsty self-righteousness. Is this really the best we can do? More power of the state over the individual. More decisions based on our fears and not our hopes. More willingness to condemn instead of heal. I am a little ashamed of being a pagan right now.”

“I guess to clarify, I do not believe in organized violence. Not by the state, a religion, or a “cause”. I do believe in personal violence. Just like repressing the sexual urge creates all sorts of problems, repressing the urge to perpetrate violence does the same thing. Maybe the world would be a better place if people just accepted that every once in a while, someone’s going to get clobbered. I still doubt it would be necessary to use enough force to kill in almost any circumstance.”

Yeah… Ok….. So, I had to ask him ” you’re ok with randomly beating the hell out of people but if the state wants to kill people who have been convicted of violent crimes, it’s not ok? How does that make any sense?”

Nansy Pansy Pagan: “It makes perfect sense. We are individuals, and animals. We have urges and drives, including violence. We ignore them at our peril. In fact, I believe that it is when we ignore these drives, when they are institutionalized they can be twisted to the point where humans are capable of war and genocide.”
Now Wait…. We have urges and drives, if we suppress these urges, we’re going to become twisted and it leads to war and genocide? I’m a little creeped out now… This sounds like a very half-baked and disturbing theory. When questioned on which urges are ok to act on, For example the urges that Sexual Predators, Rapists, Pedophiles and Serial Killers have, he back pedaled and said that we need to keep them incarcerated until we find a better way to rehabilitate them. (I find this idea to be a waste of perfectly good taxpayer money that could be used for other things. )
Other’s expressed an opinion similar to my own, even going so far as to call for ‘An Eye for An Eye’
Again, Nansy Pansy Pagan had to respond. “Wow, an eye for an eye, really? Do you really think at all about what you are saying. You want that? That’s the best we can do? “An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind” – MKG”
From this point on in the discussion, when questioned, Nansy Pansy Pagan decided to hide behind MKG Quotes and his theory about Urges. Quite frankly, I think the guy is a bit freakish, seriously twisted, and possibly a, well… who knows really. You can all fill in the blanks on that one.

All in all, it’s been an UBER FUN DAY! This guy is full of CARP!

4 Responses to The Nansy Pansy Pagan Male

  1. lairbhan says:

    Glad I missed this discussion…but love the blog post.

  2. James Wilber says:

    Hi, it’s that asshat. I would like to start out by saying how happy I am that our moderator Pagan Mystics showed us what side they’re on. That’s classy. I would also like to apologize for taking my spiritual cues from Gandhi and not yet another ignorant fucking redneck that just wants to push the button.

    Let’s review some pertinent parts of the argument you left out. Like when I said I do believe these people should be put away and it should be made certain they can never harm people again.

    Also, that my philosophy stems from a belief that I am much more forgiving of someone who commits a crime of passion, or is influenced by their shitty situation, than I am for people who want to start wars just in case they might attack us, or fry a mentally disabled guy because he hurt someone.

    So the cry goes out to kill all those rapist, killers, and molesters. Sure, that’s the easy way out. I’m afraid of these people let’s kill them. Talk about the Nansy Pansy pagan.

    Exactly how often does a violent offender escape from jail and commit another crime? I would bet a lot less often then people being executed for crimes they didn’t commit.

    Oh, but think about the children! In the words of another great sage, George Carlin, fuck the children. I am really sick and tired of self-centered assholes who want to turn our society into a police state just to protect their precious spawn. never thinking once about when the police state will be coming for them.

    So yeah, I am against the death penalty. I am also against abortion. I am against killing period. I am for the long and arduous task of trying as hard as we can to change our society so these things happen less often. For being strong enough to forgive (not forget), and giving people a chance to reform and contribute. Every life lived is precious. We don’t know what that person might do. I will not be the one to pass the ultimate judgement just because I am afraid.

    Nansy Pansy Pagan Asshat is – James L. Wilber. Also blogging and tweeting as Scroll of Thoth. Please feel free to tell why you think I’m wrong.

    • Ladylala says:

      ” I would also like to apologize for taking my spiritual cues from Gandhi and not yet another ignorant fucking redneck that just wants to push the button.”

      -Sure, maybe I’m ignorant because I support the Death Penalty, maybe I’m wrong in believing that it’s a good thing. However, I stick by my beliefs with conviction. I’m not hiding behind quotes from Gandhi one minute, and throwing out there that I think it’s a good thing to randomly walk around beating the hell out of people, which according to you, is ok because it’s an Urge.

      “So the cry goes out to kill all those rapist, killers, and molesters. Sure, that’s the easy way out. I’m afraid of these people let’s kill them. Talk about the Nansy Pansy pagan.”

      – hahaha! I don’t think there are too many Nansy Pansy’s who approve of the Death Penalty. Also, it’s not about beign afraid of these people, it’s about understanding that they are not contributing a damned thing to society, as such, they are useless. Why should tax payers support them for the rest of their lives? Why not just get it over with and kill ‘em. Also, I’m all for a rather gruesome form of punishment. It’d be a better deterrent than what the current forms of offing the bastards are.

      “Oh, but think about the children! In the words of another great sage, George Carlin, fuck the children.”

      – I doubt very highly that the Late Great Carlin would support the rights of child rapists and murderers. Just saying. I do believe you’re taking the remark out of context and trying to be cool by quoting Carlin.

      “So yeah, I am against the death penalty. I am also against abortion. I am against killing period.”

      – This one really makes me giggle. Especially since you’re the one that decided to throw out the whole, “you guys sound like Christians” argument during the group discussion, and yet…. You’re the guy, who wants to oppose women’s rights. The Right to choose, the right to be able to decide for herself if she wants to carry a child, etc.

      Guess what, it’s not up to you. I think you’re suffering from a major case of Kettle/Pot-itus.

      “I am for the long and arduous task of trying as hard as we can to change our society so these things happen less often. For being strong enough to forgive (not forget), and giving people a chance to reform and contribute. Every life lived is precious. We don’t know what that person might do. I will not be the one to pass the ultimate judgement just because I am afraid.”

      – Once again, I”ll have to direct the question at you that myself and Blackbird asked yesterday. What about the rights of the victims? Who the fuck cares about the victimizer, it’s time to start thinking about the victims, their families and society as a whole.

  3. lairbhan says:

    “Exactly how often does a violent offender escape from jail and commit another crime? I would bet a lot less often then people being executed for crimes they didn’t commit.”
    This is a straw man argument at best. Violent offenders are released from prison all the time, often before serving their full sentence. And there are several types of mental disorders associated with violent crimes – including pedophilia, and sociopathic tendencies – that do not respond well or at all to therapy. People with those issues cannot be rehabilitated and are highly likely to re-offend. I am sure tha tthe rates of re-offense among violent offenders is far, far higher than the rates of innocent people executed. In fact I would bet that even if every person on death row was innocent the numbers of re-offenders would still be substantially higher. I agree with you that all life has value but what about the value of the victims lives? Shouldn’t the cost of taking a life, especially with the circumstances necessary to qualify as a death penalty case, require a serious penalty? And what about protecting the future victims of that person should they be released? And yes that has happened and does happen. The death penalty should not be a casual thing but it does serve a vital purpose.
    You have every right to your opinion, but please get off your high horse about those of us who have a different opinion. You are not morally superior because you feel your the bigger person for being forgiving and seeing the best in everyone. Have ever known anyone killed by a serial killer? Have you ever known anyone killed by a re-offender who had been released early from prison? It’s easy to be self-righteous when it’s just an abstract moral issue to you.